Speaking classes/clubs vs. the 'real thing'?
This is a continuation of my previous post about challenging yourself and it might be controversial for some but it's an opinion which I have been meaning to publish here for some time.
Throughout the years when I was teaching adult education classes in public speaking, there was one question which students would often ask as a twelve-week course drew to a close: 'Is there a Stage 2?'
My reply was always the same, that 'Stage 2' was going out and speaking to as many different audiences in as many different venues as possible, far away from what had now become the relative comfort zone of the class.
In later years, I did introduce a Stage 2, concentrating on more challenging forms of public speaking, and when that ended students would ask 'Is there a Stage 3?'. Once again, I would tell them 'Yes, go out into the wide world and do it!'
I often hear about former students of mine who have become regular speakers, in fact, the current issue of a local newspaper in my area has a report about a recent talk given by one of them, describing her audience's reaction as 'amazed and delighted'. I have read many similar complimentary press pieces about her speaking engagements. I once read about another of my former students receiving a standing ovation from one club. It's gratifying to know that I helped them and many others along the way.
But sometimes I will bump into the odd student who completed a course and showed great improvement but did nothing with this new skill afterwards. Such a shame; such a waste.
Halfway between these two groups are what I would call 'institutionalised speakers'. They belong to a speakers' club and have done for years - but this is the vast majority of the speaking they do.
The problem as I see it is that when you join a speaking class or club, you are probably very nervous about even speaking to a small audience. Everyone else there may be a stranger and your presentations, however short, are real challenges for you. Then, as the weeks and months go on, through regular practice at getting up in front of that audience, you become more confident. Besides, after a while, you know everyone and you have heard them speak enough times to recognise that at least some of them are not perfect speakers. From now on, it is any newcomers who are at a disadvantage - not you. Yes, over time, you have developed into a more confident speaker...
But now what?
You have been getting used to giving short speeches to the same size of audience, who you know anyway, in the same venue at the same time of day on the same day of the week and with the same group of people running the event. You may have the opportunity through a class to gain LAMDA or New Era speaking qualifications while a club may offer you the chance to visit other clubs, enter regional or national contests or gain their own certification. Take them if you wish to develop.
But if you really want to progress, then I would suggest that you might like to consider speaking to as many different types and sizes of audience in different venues in different regions for different lengths of time and at different times - or with at least some of these variations.
Variety leads to versatility.
When I was in a class, I took the optional LAMDA Bronze Medal and then launched myself into as many talks, stand-up gigs and radio appearances as I could get or was asked to do once I had started circulating my details. I spoke paid and unpaid, I did two minutes here, an hour there, for audiences ranging from less than 20 to 600 (and many thousands for the media appearances).
Three months after the course finished, after an extra coaching session from my tutor, I passed the LAMDA Silver Medal and we did the same three months after that with the Gold. In the September, I took her speaking course again - but this was only to prepare me for passing the much harder Associate Diploma. I missed two lessons - to go off and complete paid speaking engagements elsewhere (different audiences, etc, etc). Over the twelve months of 1996, on top of the classes and exams, I got up in front of other audiences nearly 50 times. It paid off. I soon felt able to tackle most types of engagement, started passing auditions, getting very good testimonials and recommendations. Oh, and more regular payment as well!
So am I saying that you should leave your branch of Toastmasters International or the Association of Speakers Clubs? Of course not! A couple of my friends from the UK public speaking blogosphere are still very enthusiastic members as well as completing a wide range of other presentations (and I'm sure Jeremy and Jason may want to comment about this!) What I am saying is that if you do most of your speaking within a club or simply regard the last lesson of a course as your final challenge then you are missing many further opportunities to develop as a speaker. Diminishing returns may even set in!
Public Speaking Tip #286: A public speaking course or club is just the first step to becoming a really accomplished speaker. You need to be looking for outside challenges as well.
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Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Thu 05 Feb 2009 08:26 PM GMT | Permanent Link
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Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Good advice Nick.
Hadn't thought of it like that before but what you say makes a lot of sense. My own experience is different to most I suppose. I'd already done a fair amount of public speaking before joining Toastmasters (NW London speakers club) in the mid 1990s. I left when the club relocated after a couple of years. I've done hundreds of presentations since then but rejoined my local club, Harrovians, in 2006 as I wanted a structured approach and regular feedback to enhance certain aspects of my performance. And it's good fun and provides some community support too. Re: Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Thu 05 Feb 2009 09:41 PM GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Mark,
That might just be the quickest that anyone has ever posted a comment after one of my blog posts! It sounds as though you've got the balance exactly right: masses of outside experience plus the additional backup of the feedback (and the other benefits you mention) from Toastmasters. Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Hi Nick
I remember when you mentioned to me that you were going to write this post. I'm glad you did. I agree wiht you whole-heartedly. It was worth the wait. After about a year of being a member of two Toastmasters clubs and speaking regularly I had gotten in a rut. It was then that I branched out and spoke at other clubs, and even participated in contests. I developed enormously during ths time. I also secured two speaking gigs outside of my clubs. One was speaking for a charity and the other was compering for another. Any speaking club is great for helping people break their barriers to help them present in their jobs. But if anyone wants to pursue it further then they HAVE to get out there and get in front of different audiences, paid or unpaid. I'm emigrating to the U.S. this year (all being well with the visa process) so I will be speaking two a different culture altogether. The fastest way for me to get used to that new environment will be to speak as often as possible. So I'll be joining Toasties clubs, finding civic organisations to speak at, getting into the U.S. stand-up circuit and maybe even getting involved in improv shows. That'll be my stage 2. Good job. I'll throw you a link over. Cheers, Jason Re: Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Thu 05 Feb 2009 09:53 PM GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Jason,
Many thanks for your kind comments and insights. I do hope you'll keep blogging from the States - it would be fascinating to read about your switch from UK audiences to those in the US and how you adapt your material, etc. Now that's varying your speaking engagements! Just one thing I would take issue with: I think you are quite a few Stages beyond Number 2! Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Love this, Nick! I wrote a post about getting real world experience a while back. It's so critical to improving as a speaker to face as many kinds of audiences and venues as possible. Here's the post, if you want to check it out: http://tinyurl.com/apgjpl.
Re: Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Fri 06 Feb 2009 06:11 AM GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
And of course, Lisa, it also makes the whole business more exciting, interesting and enjoyable.
Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Hi Nick.
Thought-provoking post. If you only speak at Toastmasters clubs, you tend to always speak in the same "Toastmaster-style" which is more performance than conversation. When I started speaking in the real world, I had to break many of my speaking habits. The major thing for me was starting to relate individually to people in my audience rather than just seeing them as one big group. Olivia Re: Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Fri 06 Feb 2009 06:20 AM GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Hi Olivia,
Great to have you commenting here. That conversational style you mention is IMHO one of the speaking skills that takes longer to master, far more so than conquering nerves, voice projection, etc, and, as you say, 'real world' gigs are where we develop this. It's far easier to gain quick rapport with a large audience of strangers if we are less formal (unless, of course, the occasion demands it). Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Totally agree with you Nick. One has to be challenged by different speaking environments. The route you've taken is excellent grounding. Perhaps moving up a gear and getting representation could be the way forward.
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Nick R Thomas A.L.A.M. (Public Speaking)
on Fri 06 Feb 2009 06:28 AM GMT | Profile | Permanent Link
Glad you agree with me, Jeremy.
From my experience, I would say that representation is great if you can get enough agencies interested in a non-celebrity - and then get them to actually use you if they do accept you onto their books! Re: Don't become an institutionalised public speaker!
Nick: A most interesting post. It suggests asking how many significantly different and thus distinguishable audience sizes (and room sizes) there are in one’s experience. Back in December I thought a bit about this, which led to a couple posts on my Joyful Public Speaking blog- December 6: “Your presentation style should match both your intent and the size of your audience”, and December 7: “Audience size determines working distance and thus presentation style.” Part of the problem is that we don’t even have a consistent vocabulary for describing room sizes. How big is a snug bar?
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